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		<title>By: John Cowan</title>
		<link>http://www.elharo.com/blog/uncategorized/2006/05/04/outsourcing-naming-conventions/#comment-196478</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once asked the driver of a truck who was moving my possessions what his name was.  "My name!"  He laughed.  "No American can pronounce my name."

It so happens I don't have problems pronouncing Russian names, but I didn't argue.

Christopher C.: Japanese /r/ is a tap, just like Spanish /r/.  And the problem isn't physical, it's a matter of habit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once asked the driver of a truck who was moving my possessions what his name was.  &#8220;My name!&#8221;  He laughed.  &#8220;No American can pronounce my name.&#8221;</p>
<p>It so happens I don&#8217;t have problems pronouncing Russian names, but I didn&#8217;t argue.</p>
<p>Christopher C.: Japanese /r/ is a tap, just like Spanish /r/.  And the problem isn&#8217;t physical, it&#8217;s a matter of habit.</p>
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		<title>By: Mokka mit Schlag &#187; Do Not Call Me</title>
		<link>http://www.elharo.com/blog/uncategorized/2006/05/04/outsourcing-naming-conventions/#comment-196465</link>
		<dc:creator>Mokka mit Schlag &#187; Do Not Call Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] calls in the last fifteen minutes, one from Mark Marshall at Ambit Energy (though I&#8217;m certain he lied about his name) and one from Daniel of the Police Conference of New York (one of those scummy organizations that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] calls in the last fifteen minutes, one from Mark Marshall at Ambit Energy (though I&#8217;m certain he lied about his name) and one from Daniel of the Police Conference of New York (one of those scummy organizations that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Colucci</title>
		<link>http://www.elharo.com/blog/uncategorized/2006/05/04/outsourcing-naming-conventions/#comment-12941</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Colucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, you are in idiot.  So you taught yourself music and can pronounce names.  Enjoy wallowing in your self-proclaimed prestige but take a moment to consider a possibility outside the realm of your little world.  Many people physically can`t  produce certain sounds with their mouths.  The Japanese `r`, for example, is not the same as an `r` in any language you can are so deft at pronouncing names in.  It may sound similar, but most westerners can not do it.  Similarly, many westerners have trouble with other pronunciations.  In closing, education has little to do with a person`s physical pronunciation capabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, you are in idiot.  So you taught yourself music and can pronounce names.  Enjoy wallowing in your self-proclaimed prestige but take a moment to consider a possibility outside the realm of your little world.  Many people physically can`t  produce certain sounds with their mouths.  The Japanese `r`, for example, is not the same as an `r` in any language you can are so deft at pronouncing names in.  It may sound similar, but most westerners can not do it.  Similarly, many westerners have trouble with other pronunciations.  In closing, education has little to do with a person`s physical pronunciation capabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Augusto</title>
		<link>http://www.elharo.com/blog/uncategorized/2006/05/04/outsourcing-naming-conventions/#comment-1881</link>
		<dc:creator>Augusto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 19:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The names are changed many times so that people don't know they're calling India, it's as simple as that.

Don't change the names, it insults the callers intelligence. Nicknames as suggested before are a good idea, deception is not.

At the end of the day however, sorry to shock "call center" people, but we don't need to remember your names, just get our problem fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The names are changed many times so that people don&#8217;t know they&#8217;re calling India, it&#8217;s as simple as that.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t change the names, it insults the callers intelligence. Nicknames as suggested before are a good idea, deception is not.</p>
<p>At the end of the day however, sorry to shock &#8220;call center&#8221; people, but we don&#8217;t need to remember your names, just get our problem fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: John George</title>
		<link>http://www.elharo.com/blog/uncategorized/2006/05/04/outsourcing-naming-conventions/#comment-1818</link>
		<dc:creator>John George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 04:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Among my schoolmates in India were Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Aldous Huxley, Stalin and Lenin. "John Kelly" is rare but certainly within the realm of possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among my schoolmates in India were Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Aldous Huxley, Stalin and Lenin. &#8220;John Kelly&#8221; is rare but certainly within the realm of possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Anjan Bacchu</title>
		<link>http://www.elharo.com/blog/uncategorized/2006/05/04/outsourcing-naming-conventions/#comment-1768</link>
		<dc:creator>Anjan Bacchu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 17:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug/Adrian,

operator :   "Hi, Good Morning My Name is venkatasubramanya".

customer : "wha what is your name ?!!"

   The customer call is NOT about understanding new names. Yes, Indians do have a shorter version for names -- although not everybody is confortable to shorten it. Although a lot of them are willingly doing it to help others. Not all customers are disposed to learn new names.

  Then, again my wife was looking for a really short name when our daughter was born so that just about everybody would have it easy.

  My dad would not like others to call him dash but maybe a 20+/30+ year old guy wouldn't mind -- then again, most call center operators are in really young.

  It wouldn't hurt to tell the customers, as fred mentioned "My name is Siddhalingesha, but if it’s easier for you, you can refer to me as Siddha". I'm sure some of them already do.

  Oh, well with a lot more outsourcing going on, I'm sure such feedback will get incorporated!! I wish there was a way to tell the indian companies about such civilized complaints.

BR,
~A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug/Adrian,</p>
<p>operator :   &#8220;Hi, Good Morning My Name is venkatasubramanya&#8221;.</p>
<p>customer : &#8220;wha what is your name ?!!&#8221;</p>
<p>   The customer call is NOT about understanding new names. Yes, Indians do have a shorter version for names &#8212; although not everybody is confortable to shorten it. Although a lot of them are willingly doing it to help others. Not all customers are disposed to learn new names.</p>
<p>  Then, again my wife was looking for a really short name when our daughter was born so that just about everybody would have it easy.</p>
<p>  My dad would not like others to call him dash but maybe a 20+/30+ year old guy wouldn&#8217;t mind &#8212; then again, most call center operators are in really young.</p>
<p>  It wouldn&#8217;t hurt to tell the customers, as fred mentioned &#8220;My name is Siddhalingesha, but if it’s easier for you, you can refer to me as Siddha&#8221;. I&#8217;m sure some of them already do.</p>
<p>  Oh, well with a lot more outsourcing going on, I&#8217;m sure such feedback will get incorporated!! I wish there was a way to tell the indian companies about such civilized complaints.</p>
<p>BR,<br />
~A</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.elharo.com/blog/uncategorized/2006/05/04/outsourcing-naming-conventions/#comment-1758</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 02:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;How easy is it for you to pronounce these names

Sure, it's not that easy - but that's just because English speakers aren't used to them. And the only way to learn is to use them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;How easy is it for you to pronounce these names</p>
<p>Sure, it&#8217;s not that easy - but that&#8217;s just because English speakers aren&#8217;t used to them. And the only way to learn is to use them!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Simpkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.elharo.com/blog/uncategorized/2006/05/04/outsourcing-naming-conventions/#comment-1755</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Simpkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 16:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicknames.

I used to be a support call center employee, and we handled lots of calls &lt;em&gt;from&lt;/em&gt; Indians.  I remember one in particular - his name was Venkatesan, but he called himself "Venky".  Is there a cultural aversion to abbreviating names like we often do in the US?  For example, my grandfather was named "Frederick", but everyone called him "Fred".

So, in the above list of names, the operators could say their names are "Jaya", "Dash", "Siddha", "Venkat", "Chikka", and "Potta" (Puta  means something non-flattering in Spanish.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicknames.</p>
<p>I used to be a support call center employee, and we handled lots of calls <em>from</em> Indians.  I remember one in particular - his name was Venkatesan, but he called himself &#8220;Venky&#8221;.  Is there a cultural aversion to abbreviating names like we often do in the US?  For example, my grandfather was named &#8220;Frederick&#8221;, but everyone called him &#8220;Fred&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, in the above list of names, the operators could say their names are &#8220;Jaya&#8221;, &#8220;Dash&#8221;, &#8220;Siddha&#8221;, &#8220;Venkat&#8221;, &#8220;Chikka&#8221;, and &#8220;Potta&#8221; (Puta  means something non-flattering in Spanish.)</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Wilhoit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Wilhoit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 15:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1)  I know how to pronounce Indian (French, German, Spanish, Russian, etc. etc. etc.) names and can't see why any educated person ought not be able to pronounce them as well.

2)  A person's name is part of their identity and it is therefore profoundly immoral to distort it, purposefully or through carelessness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1)  I know how to pronounce Indian (French, German, Spanish, Russian, etc. etc. etc.) names and can&#8217;t see why any educated person ought not be able to pronounce them as well.</p>
<p>2)  A person&#8217;s name is part of their identity and it is therefore profoundly immoral to distort it, purposefully or through carelessness.</p>
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		<title>By: George Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 15:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Use numbers. The person can say "My name is Siddhalingesha, but if it's easier for you, you can refer to me as operator #123."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use numbers. The person can say &#8220;My name is Siddhalingesha, but if it&#8217;s easier for you, you can refer to me as operator #123.&#8221;</p>
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